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		<title>By: Philip Welch</title>
		<link>http://www.politicsgunsandbeer.com/2009/07/29/and-cops-continue-to-be-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-3033</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, namecalling and anti-intellectualism, two essential ingredients for elevated discourse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, namecalling and anti-intellectualism, two essential ingredients for elevated discourse.</p>
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		<title>By: The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Response to Patterico and Jack Dunphy</title>
		<link>http://www.politicsgunsandbeer.com/2009/07/29/and-cops-continue-to-be-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-3011</link>
		<dc:creator>The Agitator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Response to Patterico and Jack Dunphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Doherty, and L.A. Times editor Paul Thornton (also mentioned in Patterico&#8217;s post) were hardly the only ones who interpreted Dunphy&#8217;s post this way. Dunphy wrote something rash and provocative [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Doherty, and L.A. Times editor Paul Thornton (also mentioned in Patterico&#8217;s post) were hardly the only ones who interpreted Dunphy&#8217;s post this way. Dunphy wrote something rash and provocative [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.politicsgunsandbeer.com/2009/07/29/and-cops-continue-to-be-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-2992</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I&#039;ll agree that the arrest itself was probably totally pointless and a waste of time. However, from everything I&#039;ve read Crowley kept trying to walk away and Gates followed him, and being an asshat.  Gates is an ivory tower, liberal, America hating, intellectual with not a fully functioning brain cell in his head. He brought up race and now he and the pres, are gonna use this as was already mention as a &#039;teaching moment&#039;. Yeah right.  
dang, who put this soapbox under my feet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;ll agree that the arrest itself was probably totally pointless and a waste of time. However, from everything I&#8217;ve read Crowley kept trying to walk away and Gates followed him, and being an asshat.  Gates is an ivory tower, liberal, America hating, intellectual with not a fully functioning brain cell in his head. He brought up race and now he and the pres, are gonna use this as was already mention as a &#8216;teaching moment&#8217;. Yeah right.<br />
dang, who put this soapbox under my feet?</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Welch</title>
		<link>http://www.politicsgunsandbeer.com/2009/07/29/and-cops-continue-to-be-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-2974</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Law professor James Duane: Never talk to the police http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865&amp;ei=V_hwStrNLIGSqQPZ79T0Ag&amp;q=never+talk+to+the+police&amp;hl=en&amp;client=safari

Police officers are supposed to be *professionals*. One shouldn&#039;t verbally abuse them (or anyone) but by the same token they should know how to bear it without becoming violent or abusing their powers. The problem with Gates wasn&#039;t entirely race, it&#039;s the violent authoritarian police culture that says talking back to a cop is &quot;disturbing the peace&quot; and worthy of an arrest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Law professor James Duane: Never talk to the police <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865&amp;ei=V_hwStrNLIGSqQPZ79T0Ag&amp;q=never+talk+to+the+police&amp;hl=en&amp;client=safari" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865&amp;ei=V_hwStrNLIGSqQPZ79T0Ag&amp;q=never+talk+to+the+police&amp;hl=en&amp;client=safari</a></p>
<p>Police officers are supposed to be *professionals*. One shouldn&#8217;t verbally abuse them (or anyone) but by the same token they should know how to bear it without becoming violent or abusing their powers. The problem with Gates wasn&#8217;t entirely race, it&#8217;s the violent authoritarian police culture that says talking back to a cop is &#8220;disturbing the peace&#8221; and worthy of an arrest.</p>
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		<title>By: georgeh</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if &quot;Jack Dunphy&quot; asks for a BJ after looking in your trunk, do you also risk getting blown away if you refuse that?

Not all orders are lawful orders. In the absence of probable cause, a demand to look in your trunk is an unlawful order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if &#8220;Jack Dunphy&#8221; asks for a BJ after looking in your trunk, do you also risk getting blown away if you refuse that?</p>
<p>Not all orders are lawful orders. In the absence of probable cause, a demand to look in your trunk is an unlawful order.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel</title>
		<link>http://www.politicsgunsandbeer.com/2009/07/29/and-cops-continue-to-be-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-2969</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See new post. Asserting your rights =/= ranting, calling the officer names, etc... though Jack certainly presents it like he views them as one and the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See new post. Asserting your rights =/= ranting, calling the officer names, etc&#8230; though Jack certainly presents it like he views them as one and the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Politics, Guns &#38; Beer : Further Explanation</title>
		<link>http://www.politicsgunsandbeer.com/2009/07/29/and-cops-continue-to-be-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-2968</link>
		<dc:creator>Politics, Guns &#38; Beer : Further Explanation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This  I think summarizes what some of us have always felt about police.  Now i have to say not all cops are like this but theres too many of them out there that are.

&quot;I&#039;d add something else interesting that I&#039;ve noticed in all of these threads. A lot of police want the right to carry a gun, and they want to be empowered by the state to arrest and kill. But they also want to pawn off as much responsibility, or risk, that comes from that power as possible. Indeed, what this officer wants is for the people who he&#039;s supposed to be protecting to assume the risk.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This  I think summarizes what some of us have always felt about police.  Now i have to say not all cops are like this but theres too many of them out there that are.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;d add something else interesting that I&#8217;ve noticed in all of these threads. A lot of police want the right to carry a gun, and they want to be empowered by the state to arrest and kill. But they also want to pawn off as much responsibility, or risk, that comes from that power as possible. Indeed, what this officer wants is for the people who he&#8217;s supposed to be protecting to assume the risk.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Laurel</title>
		<link>http://www.politicsgunsandbeer.com/2009/07/29/and-cops-continue-to-be-assholes/comment-page-1/#comment-2966</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed it for you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed it for you. :)</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the offending line was this 

&quot;And you, if in asserting your constitutional right to be free from unlawful search and seizure fail to do as the officer asks, run the risk of having such holes placed in your own&quot;

which seems to state that i could be shot because i dont cooperate and do whatever the officer asks.  It is my constitutional right to not follow an officers request as it is his right to arrest me for exercising that right, but to say i could be shot for it makes it seem like i should throw out that aforementioned right out the window once a cop stops me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the offending line was this </p>
<p>&#8220;And you, if in asserting your constitutional right to be free from unlawful search and seizure fail to do as the officer asks, run the risk of having such holes placed in your own&#8221;</p>
<p>which seems to state that i could be shot because i dont cooperate and do whatever the officer asks.  It is my constitutional right to not follow an officers request as it is his right to arrest me for exercising that right, but to say i could be shot for it makes it seem like i should throw out that aforementioned right out the window once a cop stops me.</p>
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